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Death of the Ding-Dong, Twinkie, Wonder Bread: Hostess to Close

Reports are that Hostess is starting to close down after a labor dispute. End of a beloved era, or good riddance to junk food heaven?

 

Twinkies. Hostess Cupcakes. Wonder Bread. Ding-dongs.

They will be gone forever, with reports that Hostess Brands, Inc., said Friday that it will sell off or close down its 82-year old business. Done in, the CEO claims, by labor union action.

Hostess filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in January.

The company has been challenged by not only by snarly labor relations, and a national strike by its second-largest labor union, but also, posits the Wall Street Journal, by consumers switching to healthier foods and high ingredient costs. 

One caveat: The Journal says that Hostess has threatened liquidation before, and not followed through.

The move puts 18,500 workers out of their jobs, CNN reports.

What do you think about this end to a junk-food kingdom? Will you buy some Ding-dongs and Twinkies just for old times' sake? Stock up on them for the future? Watch the beginning of the movie 'Wall-E' for the Twinkie-and-cockroach scene one more time? Is it the end of a beloved era? Or is it 'good riddance,' that the world would be better off without so much junk food? Or do you think someone else will buy them up, and we'll have an unending supply of Twinkies? Tell us what you think in the comments section below.

Related Topics: Business, Hostess, and Twinkies

Bill

10:53 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

If they close, another company will buy the brands at liquidation and put out the products - they are not going anywhere. And, 18K people will lose their job because of a clueless union who thinks it is 1957. News Flash: with 25M people looking for and or full time work, the skills of a factory baker are not all that special.

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Mari

12:14 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Correction not clueless employees knew what they stood to lose. Do you want them to work for minimum wage. What is wrong with good pay for a hard days work for the people that are not college material.
Bread is a staple to heck with the twinkie debacle that is a cover-up story.
They were an abused Union. When will you people get it in your heads. Wonder lied to the employees that had all ready given many concessions and like are current administration the Company did not follow through! They took the Money and ran. Sound familiar does the name Solyndra ring a bell?

bronxbomberz41

11:04 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

good riddance to bad food. its all junk, it doesn't taste good (wonderbread is the worst offender) and we could all use a few less twinkies in our shopping aisle.

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Mari

12:25 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Bread is a staple you are allowing yourself to be caught up in the ding-dong debacle.
Snap out of it while you are eating your celery.

Donna McClure

11:38 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Short sighted union employees and greedy union leaders. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.........

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Mark Crossley

10:36 pm on Thursday, November 22, 2012

Bakers went from about $48,000 a year to $32,000 a year, to a proposed $25,000 a year. Are you kidding? They lost half their original wages. Could YOU survive on HALF you wages? These were not unskilled laborers. Meanwhile, the CEO of the company almost doubled his wages in the same timeframe. Albeit, a better fare could have been provided, BUT America likes what it eats, and these folks were hard-working people who didn't deserve the drastic cuts. The last cut (one of many in the past few years) was a $3.00 per hour cut ($120.00 less a week, times 4.3 weeks a month, or $500 a month) -- AND that was one part of a LATEST 28% salary and benefits cut. The LAISSEZ-FAIRE return of business pratices will put worker's rights and salaries to the equivalent 1900-turn-of-the-century worker, minus benifits or living wage.

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Mari

12:27 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Shut up,
do you work for minimum wage? Get a life and I hope someday you lose what you worked so hard for. You may just change your tune. Oh that is right the anointed one will give you a check for being crazy.

George Lewis

12:06 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Again a sign of poor management and lack of creativity! They've been selling the stuff for years without any improvements.
Maybe some new ideas like adding cafine to the Twinkies and selling them as an energy bar would help sales!

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Bryan McGonigle2

2:03 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Twinkie energy bars? I can see the lines forming at middle school vending machines after lunch.

Let's make sure Jim Gafigan is sitting down when he's told about this. Can they make them low fat and organic?

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Paul Grim

1:39 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012

The CEOs gave themselves lavish raises while the machinery deteriorated into junk. This company was dead in the water because of bad management.

Michelle Bailey

12:13 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

My Grandfather worked for years in a factory and then in management at Interstate Bakeries, the owners of Hostess. I am said to hear this is the fate of a company that is such a part of my family's history.
It does seem the company lost touch with the healthier food choices consumers demand today.

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Jay Burnham

4:58 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Guess they should have gone "gluten-free" for you Michelle ;-)

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Mari

12:30 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Oh shut up, people choose because we still have a right to eat whatever we want. I eat a din-dong once a year. So what are you the food police. You people better get it in you head straight that we are in charge of food not the government cronies wife preaching what to eat. Self responsibility.
BREAD IS A STAPLE!

Chad S

3:40 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

This is the second time this company has been in backruptcy recently. It is the fault of incompetent management. Not the union who made several concessions over the years. Those concession also went to bonus to the management which caused the problems. This is all well documented and easy to verify.

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Bill

3:54 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Just the fact there is a union with rules and demands is enough to kill a company in the Obama economy. If they could open up those 5000 baking jobs at 2/3rds the union rate there would be people lining up for days.

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Bryan McGonigle2

4:20 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Then all the union has to do is buy the company out of bankruptcy, get some regulatory relief and tax incentives from their buddies in Washington (like the Sunoco oil refinery that got sold in NH or PA to a private equity fund not named Bain - pollution rules relief and tax incentives were given I believe), and watch the Benjamins roll in.

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Donna McClure

8:59 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Any company is in business for profit, How much would you think a baker deserves per hour. Really, incompetent management? More like union greed, Again, cutting their own nose off to spite their face. However, they will get 99 weeks of unemployment. ENJOY!

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Saber Walsh

7:19 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

I'd buy that if I didn't grow up with the families whose parents worked at "Generous Electric" and whose union would hold the company hostage over the "right" to have their birthdays as a paid day off.

"Incompetent management" is usually the cry of the person whose greed exceeded that of the management team and who found out they really weren't bluffing after all.

Sean Ward

4:23 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Ridiculous that the author tried to divert our attention from the union by pointing out that these foods are on the decline. These are two different issues. Despite the efforts of The first lady to tell us what we can eat there is still demand for these products. The problem is that the union does not allow the company to scale itself to the shrinking demand. This is the same thing the automotive unions did. They were unwilling to concede anything themselves so the tax payers had to concede for them. When times are good the unions cry for more, when times are bad they still cry for more.

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Adam Marshall

5:02 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

What people do not know ,is even if this iconic company stayed in business the management team really had no clue how to fix there financial issues. I was a teamster employee for Hostess who was not on strike and I commend the BCTfor standing up to a company that w making a mockery of these historic brands . Maybe after liquidation someone can reintroduce the products into the market and make a profit unlike hostess that has 8.5 billon in sales a year but is 1.5 billon in debt. Who is fooling who.

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Donna McClure

9:02 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

The brand will survive sans a union work force. Twinkies will live on, the workers will have to move on.

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Sean Ward

2:11 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Where are you getting your numbers Adam. Everything I'm reading shows annual sales in the $2 billion range which has steadily declined since their $3.5 billon annual sales just 6 years ago.

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J.B

12:50 am on Monday, November 19, 2012

I should have known that some moron would blame this on Obama ! Grow up and stop singing that tired rhetoric, I would have thought you republicans would have learned something more factual then the useless name calling and "blame everything on Obama" routines from this last election. You saw how effective it was for your party. You make me laugh your such poor losers.

J.Yuma

8:33 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Hope and Change! This is just a taste of what is to come and all of you who believed the lies and distortions and the Alinsky tactics will rue the day.

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Donna McClure

9:04 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Sadly those of us who knew the fall was delivered on election day will be swept up in the Obamanation mess. Bengazi will be tip of the iceberg. Face it,
we backed up the Titanic and hit the iceberg twice.

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Donna McClure

9:13 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

and so it begins................Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center announced they will eliminate 950 full-time positions to be eliminated by June 30, 2013. This is Navajo Code Talk for Obamacare.

"Dr. McConnell CEO said. "This was about positioning ourselves for the future. Because it's vitally important, not just to this medical center but the region, that we continue to expand and grow along those strategic areas of patient care, research and education.

Job cuts that have been happening for months, including some announced Monday, are part of the parent company's effort to slash spending.

The drip-drip-drip of layoffs at NBCUniversal continued Monday with some New York-based television personnel getting their pink slips.

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Jay Valatka

9:29 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Twinkies and Wonder Bread and all those other Hostess products have gotten such a bad rap for many years - and perhaps rightfully so - that it was about time they closed shop. Hostess never seemed to change their product line to reflect the needs of consumers. I'm surprised it had managed to shuffle along this far.
I suspect the timing of this bankruptcy filing is a result of a growing epidemic that I like to call "The Angry CEO Syndrome", due to the recent election results. Symptoms include passive aggressive behavior by managers and executives, who tend to toss out a plethora of potentially baseless excuses such as "ObamaCare" and "unions" before laying off hundreds of their employees and, like Hostess above, filing for bankruptcy. Never is concern for employees or their health and well-being publicly articulated as much as the concern for more profits. Never is poor management faulted, but victimization by some kind of anti-business climate from elsewhere is often claimed. We've already seen a few egregious examples of this from companies such as Massey Energy and Papa John's, and we should expect to see many more in the coming weeks.

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Sean Ward

12:52 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Jay, you clearly have no clue how to run a business. Hostess is not turning a profit. It's not about more profits it's about some profit. Private companies are not like the federal government. They can't run on negative cash flow forever. ObamaCare and Unions are not excuses, they are reasons. When RomneyCare came to Massachusetts business owners and individuals were told we would save money. Instead because coverage became law the insurance companies knew they had a captive audience so they jacked up the rates 20% the next year and 29% the following year. Small business like mine had to drop percentage of the plans we paid for from 80% to 50% to stay in business, not to make more profit. I for one am running a business because I have a mortgage and bills to pay just like my employees. You have clearly fallen for the "all corporations are evil" poison the democrats are selling. You need to get out more. It's not always us against them. Until you introduce unions that is. Then it very much is us against them.

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Jay Valatka

4:51 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

I know Hostess wasn't turning a profit, but I mentioned the "Angry CEO Syndrome" because of the timing of the bankruptcy filing and because of all the anti-union and anti-Obama meme comments before me. It's funny that although you found the insurance companies have been jacking up premiums supposedly to take advantage of RomneyCare, you don't seem to want to put these same insurance companies into your Basket of Blame. And, for the record, I have never said "all corporations are evil". Who actually says that kind of thing? And don't worry about me getting out more: I have many friends who are business owners.

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Steve Marino

7:54 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Jay, buisnesses are in buisness to make money! Take more of it away in taxes and regulation and you will see results like this, it's just that simple! Some understand this, and others do not. It's just unfortunate that our current government does not, or does not care about these middle class workers that lost their jobs.
We all voted, and now we live with the results! MUCH MORE TO COME!

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Steve Marino

9:56 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Obamas class warfare is a very sharp double edge sword that slices both ways!
A shame for the middle class workers on the sharp decline under his leadership!

Guillermo Q

5:19 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

If Hostess management made mistakes in not improving their products, it is still a market for the twinkies. Are you going to tell me the unions are better at managing a company? Or they care about employees? Those 18.5 thousand employees were better being employed rather than joining the millions of unemployed Americans.
Unions are America's cancer, and if not treated that cancer will sink USA.

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Guillermo Q

6:33 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

We have now almost 50% of government employees "unionized" , we have around 7% or little more in private industries. Q. From the 90 something % not unionized private business and the bloated, inefficient, demanding, striking prone, government unionized sector? I know is very hard to know. Which group produces more goods that customer want which one produces the wealth that ends supporting the ever growing and demanding bureaucracy?

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john

7:29 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Public unions should be outlawed.

Donna McClure

7:40 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Unions have no place in the public sector. Period

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pk

7:53 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Sure, it's all the fault of the unions. See: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/16/1203151/why-unions-dont-shoulder-the-blame-for-hostesss-downfall/?fb_action_ids=3879820716630&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B%223879820716630%22%3A376267935790879%7D&action_type_map=%7B%223879820716630%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

"...as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256."

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Bill

5:48 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

ThinkProgress is the propaganda arm of the DNC. Hostess had to deal with hundreds of separate bargaining deals with dozens of pension and heath plans. Crazy work rules that would not let the same person pack and deliver a trucks, and bread and snacks could not be delivered in the same truck. They killed the company and their own jobs. Morons.

The last laugh will belong to companies who buys these brands cheap and turns a nice profit.

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Saber Walsh

9:29 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Yeah, sure, it's always the "Big Guys" who screw "da little peoples." This class warfare stuff has got to STOP. The management decision to close Hostess also screws over the management team.

I am so sick of the "ThinkProgress" Marxist attacks. If the unions had come to the table without acting so desperate to show how strong they were now that they had re-elected all their sycophants this story would have a very, very different ending.

Donna McClure

9:09 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

The AFL-CIO would not allow twinkies and bread to be delivered by the same truck. What does the head of the union earn as compared to his minions. PUHLEEZE.

On another front the bleeding continues an America adjusts to more rules and regulation including Obamacare. You voted for it, you got it! Enjoy! Say Hello to 29 hour work weeks which delivers fewer benefits. There aren't enough hours in the week for the minimally skilled labor force to put food on the table. Hello government dole. One thing for sure, it will deliver more Democrats to the party. Good Lord.

and another........Gamestop now closing 200 stores.

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john

3:50 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

I believe the only union that caused this action is the bakers union.All others accepted cuts. America is anti union more than ever. It's not the unions, it's the strenght of the products they offer. UPS is 100 % unionized and pays very well. They have the best benifit package you could ask for. They control over 90% of all ground freight in the country and make record profits every year. When a person retires they recieve a privatly funded pension. They will never be millionares but they will live without any government assistance. Sound familiar? That's the american dream, something that hardly even exists anymore.

J.Yuma

9:57 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Why settle for an 8% decrease in pay, when you can decrease your pay 100%!,...smart negotiating!

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Donna McClure

10:04 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Boeing announced layoffs and Proctor and Gamble, the world's largest consumer-product company, just annonced plans to cut its nonmanufacturing workforce by an additional 2% to 4% annually through fiscal year 2014 to 2016. That comes on top of plans to reduce its nonmanufacturing jobs by 10%, or 5,700, by the end of its current fiscal year ending June 30. 4 more years YAY!!!

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Jeff Twohig

10:22 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

The devastating truth here is that what we are seeing is the PERMANENT downfall of our country. In the next 4 years, Obama will continue his uncontrolled spending, and more and more people will be put on the public dole (welfare, food stamps, false disability). Eventually, as Margaret Thatcher state, you run out of "other people's" money to spend and it all comes crashing down. When you then try to take away all the "free stuff" Obama has given them, like Greece, there will be rioting in the streets. Hard to believe that, in a short period of time, one man has managed to destroy a country from WITHIN. Liberalism truly IS a mental illness.

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Mike

11:27 am on Friday, November 23, 2012

Government spending is lower under Obama than it was under Bush. Obama did oversee the lowest annual increases in spending of any president in 60 years. Stop living in the bubble. Shut off Rush and Fox News!

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Michael Quinlan

5:55 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Mike - by what possible measure is spending lower under Obama than under Bush?

J.Yuma

10:28 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

The Government Media Complex will spin this as a good thing and the lemmings will buy it.

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Donna McClure

10:36 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Jeff and John: Sadly, you could not be more spot on. The only creation from this mess is a lifetime of Dem supporters with out stretched hands. "Liberalism is a mental illness" We have examples of how it all "works" or doesn't work, yet the liberals run toward the plan, like a moth to the flame. Yep! That's a mental disease: Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.

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J.Yuma

10:56 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Donna, As New Hampshire continues on a liberal path, I am convinced there is a medical connection to the liberal condition of the Northeast. I have it narrowed down to either something in the water, or a lack of sunlight in winter.

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Jeff Twohig

11:04 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

What's happening in this country reminds me of one of those "Scary Movie" spoofs where a female character, running from the killer, comes upon two road signs, one says "safety", the other says "certain death" and, as always happens in the actual horror movies, she chooses certain death. American is now choosing certain death.

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Jeff Twohig

11:08 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

And here's another example of where we are at, Obama consulting with Al Sharpton (Al Sharpton !!!) on FISCAL matters:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-consults-msnbc-host-al-sharpton-and-other-civil-rights-leaders-fiscal-talks_663493.html

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Donna McClure

11:21 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

As Grandma used to say " Saints preserve us"

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J.Yuma

12:26 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Bernie "Made-off" was probably busy. Sharpton was a good choice because he doesn't pay his bills either.

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Jeff Twohig

3:26 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Here's what 4 more years of the anti-Christ will give us a LOT more of...utter morons like this. Liberals: Yes, they are that stupid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU

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David Deutsch

3:29 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

WHAT??!!! What will I eat without Hostess Cakes.

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Donna McClure

6:04 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Hardly the issue David, Focus. What will their 18,000 employees do? So many opportunities out there, what will they choose?

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J.Yuma

8:14 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

I believe Hostess also owns Drakes, Dolly Madison and a few others,- now all gone.

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mary p. ayer

10:30 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Along with my favorite Devil Dogs!!! good Gog---what a mess!!

CMH

12:05 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012

once upon a time unions could strike and eventually get what they want - now companies file bankruptcy. The days of unions are over. Watch "Waiting for Superman" and see how unions are responsible for the underperforming public schools in our country.

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Dan Tucker

7:21 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Hello? What about the private equity firm that bought the "undervalued" company, took the cash reserves, loaded it up with debt and pocketed millions, leaving Hostess unable to service the new debt load AND operate profitably?

It wasn't Bain, but it was the same culture capitalist M.O.

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ach

8:16 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Finally, someone who speaks some real sense. The rest of these folks in this forum are squirting fake whipped cream into their mouths and popping skittles.

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Michael Quinlan

6:20 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

I believe this was former Speaker of the House (Democrat) Dick Gephardt's firm.

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Ron Powell

2:07 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Dan, you could not be more wrong if you tried. Not sure where to begin. For one, the private equity firm that "bought" (actually what it did was inject $130 million into the company in order to obtain equity control of Hostess as it was emerging from its prior bankruptcy, but never mind that for now) was Ripplewood Holdings, which was founded by Tim Collins -- a major, major, major Democratic donor. Ripplewood was given a special preference over other equity firms due to Collins relationship with Dick Gephardt, who owns the consulting group just happens to also be an equity owner of Hostess. Gephardt got the stake in Hostess due to his close ties with the Teamsters. So the private equity firm got a special preference from the corporate consultant who just happened to be owned by a former Democratic House Speaker with strong ties to the strongly Democratic Teamsters union. And the equity firm pumped money into the company, not the other way around. That sucking sound is the sound of your narrative imploding.

But, it gets far worse ... Hostess actually offers a window into the dystopian world that would exist if there were no Republicans and Democrats had total power.

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Ron Powell

2:27 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Continued...

The critical issue, as David Kaplan explains in the Fortune article I cited from July, in the bankruptcy, was legacy pensions. From the article "Hostess has roughly $2 billion in unfunded pension liabilities to its various unions' workers -- the Teamsters but also the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union (which has largely chosen not to contest what Hostess wants to do -- that is, to get out of much of that obligation)."

Later in the same article:

"Yet while the balance sheet burden was certainly the pension liabilities, what precipitated the liquidation was the income statement, and more accurately, the cash flow statement, or specifically the lack of cash flow."

On exiting the first bankruptcy, Hostess's total debt load was nearly $670 million. That was well above what it went into bankruptcy with in the first place -- an unusual circumstance that the company justified on expectations of "growing" into its capital structure. But the company did not grow, and as revenue declined, the company continued to burn cash at the rate was $2 million a week. The liquidity crunch forced Ripplewood in the early spring of 2011 to pump in $40 million more. In August, Silver Point, Monarch, and the group of other lenders put up an additional $30 million. Hostess lost $341 million in 2011 and when it filed for bankruptcy again in January 2012, it's total debt had grown to $860 million.

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Ron Powell

2:34 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Continued Part 2...

In return for the additional $30 million skin in the game, Ripplewood and the lenders asked for concessions from the unions. The bakers union balked at the concessions, and then went on strike at three of the 33 Hostess plants on November 12. On November 15, the company determined that an insufficient number of workers had returned to continue operations. The bakers union strike was the proximate cause of Hostess' demise.

The Teamsters union opposed the strike. Here is what it said:
"Teamster Hostess members were allowed to decide their fate by voting on the final offer conducted by a secret mail ballot. More than two-thirds of Hostess Teamsters members voted with 53 percent voting to approve the final offer.

"The [bakers union] chose a different path, as is their prerogative, to not substantively look for a solution or engage in the process. BCTGM members were told there were better solutions than the final offer, although Judge Drain stated in his decision in bankruptcy court that no such solutions exist. Without complete information, BCTGM members voted by voice votes in union halls. The BCTGM reported that over 90 percent rejected the final offer and three of its units ratified the final offer."

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Ron Powell

2:41 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Conclusion ...

So in the end, Hostess had two strongly Democratic unions in opposition to each other, each expecting the other to make concessions to a management team hired through a private equity firm owned by a major Democratic donor, that obtained a majority equity stake through its connection to a consulting group owned by a former Democratic House Speaker with strong ties to unions. And, in this case, I believe that the private equity firm ultimately had every intention of helping the unions and turning the company around. Ripplewood injected more than $170 million into Hostess and will lose it all. 18,500 Hostess employees, including 6,000 union workers will be out of a job. The only winners here are the hedge funds Silver Point and Monarch -- creditors who stand to make millions as Hostess assets are sold off.

pk

8:49 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Don't let the facts get in your way as you blame the victims.

"The Confectionery, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers International Union pointed this out in their written reaction to the news that the business is closing:
BCTGM members are well aware that as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/16/1203151/why-unions-dont-shoulder-the-blame-for-hostesss-downfall/

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Sean Ward

10:05 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012

The CEO of a 3 billion dollar a year company was only making $750k/year? That's very low. Why do guys like this have a problem with the CEO of a snack company making this kind of money but they have no problem with althetes pulling down $260 million dollar contracts to play games? Or the lead actor in a film making $20 million dollars while most of the film crew makes 5 figure salaries?

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Mike Schulze

2:27 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

PK,GOLDEN PARACHUTES! Suck the money out and blame the unions.Remember Mitt and the 47%,and Obamas gifts. How do these gifts compare?

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Ron Powell

2:47 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Those were total compensation increasesand they were later recanted. In fact, the new CEO and four other top executives retroactively reduced their salaries to $1 through December 31 or until the company emerged from bankruptcy -- whichever came later.

And, as even the Teamsters, noted, the proximate cause of the liquidation proceedings was the bakers union strike, which Teamster membership opposed.

And not to mention that the management was brought on by the private equity firm whose owner is a Democratic donor with ties to Dick Gephardt.

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Ron Powell

2:52 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

And as your link even acknowledges, what drove Hostess to bankruptcy in the first place was its unsecured pension obligations: i.e., promises it made to unions in the past that it cannot presently fulfill.

Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/a-cost-by-cost-breakdown-of-the-hostess-bankruptcy-shows-employee-retirement-funds-are-owed-big-2012-1?0=warroom

J.Yuma

9:27 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012

pk cites a progressive website,...totally unbiased. This company was around for decades and the union destroyed them, and I was once on the negotiating committee for the Hotel workers, Local 26 and I know the progressive socialists want to blame the "evil capitalist", but that's not true.

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J.Yuma

9:46 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012

There are all kinds of websites one can use to validate their point of view, but that doesn't mean they tell the whole story.

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Donna McClure

11:13 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Doesn't it make you wonder what head of AFL-CIO Trumpka is earning. I am sure just pennies.......The hypocrisy of the left is mind blowing.

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Mike Schulze

2:23 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

All you anti union wackos! We voted you out.Romney's buy out boys came in sucked the money out and closed it! Someone with good business sense should buy it Fix the working conditions put the productive people back to work and start making profit again.The CORPORATE RAIDERS are the ones that destroy business. Not the unions. Just remember to the bloggers on this site,WE OUT NUMBER YOU! Move back to Kansas! Take old bi-partisan Brown with you!

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mary p. ayer

10:38 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Hey Schulzey, You are right that you voted us out---and---now you are going to PAY like the rest of us for what you wanted. You are going to pay and pay and pay! Just wait till Jan. 1st rolls around and ALL of us are paying for your unbelievable ignorant vote. You really think that fake indian knows what she is doing? God help the USA!!

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Mike Schulze

12:40 am on Monday, November 19, 2012

Mary P Ayer, I wont pay! I do not make over $250,000. Unless the Republicans let the Cuts expire for us to save the rich! Most of the rich I know are fine with the cuts! I'll stick with the Native American over the War Hero! God did help the USA he favored the Democrats! All the way!!!!!!!

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ach

8:26 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

I agree Mike. I am so tired of hearing people talk about Obama care who remain clueless about its provenance. Did any of these folks whine when then Govenor Romney hailed universal healthcare in Massachusetts as the crowning achievement of his administration? So many people with a conservative agenda get no further than listening to the Imus shows and coopt his language and ideas without breaking a real sweat and educating themselves about the issues. THANK GOD they aren't on the winning side. Mitt lost because he cannot be trusted.

J.Yuma

2:41 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

WE OUT NUMBER YOU! Move back to Kansas! Take old bi-partisan Brown with you!, You evil rich racists, - you're responsible for everything that ever happened in the world,- blah, blah blah. Obama Good - Romney Bad- blah blah

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Mike Schulze

2:50 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Brilliant reply! It looks like you finally get it! Anti union,anti warren,anti Deval, anti worker,anti women,anti democrat,anti anti!!!! Blah,Blah, Blah.

J.Yuma

3:24 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

A Masshole is a Mass. liberal who sends a Senator back to office after he murders a woman, or who sends a Congressman back to DC after he sleeps with the head of Fannie Mae when he is on the finance committee, or when his boyfriend runs a prostitution ring out of his house, or sends a man back to congress after his wife is caught running an offshore gambling operation,...in other words, Massholes have no God and value nothing unless it comes from the tit of government.

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Mike Schulze

3:28 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Ding Dongs and Twinkies are still alive!!!! Wackos exposed!!!! Tea party Lives!!! Dorothy Click your heels!

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ach

8:29 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Has everyone already forgotten about the non existent Weapons of Mass Destruction? That George Bush landed this country in this financial mess, not Obama?

Donna McClure

4:22 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Pk: Victims? They are employees or were employees. Now they are among the millions looking for work. Way to go union. Wake up.

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Donna McClure

4:26 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Don't you love. "We outnumber you, move" Only a lib in America thinks like that but I agree. Being liberal is a mental disorder, I am sure there is a government program for that. Look what they have wrought!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DL-a-r7iJIU

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J.Yuma

5:00 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Donna, I think that "clever" young man works in DC managing "Obama Money"---God help us all.

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J.Yuma

5:04 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

Secession may not be a bad idea because in time, the government dependent liberals would cannibalize each other,---win, win.

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Donna McClure

5:40 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

No kidding! I have watched that video a few times now. I thought it must be staged but no. Sadly, it is real and there are so many more like him. White, black, pink and brown. Young, healthy and entitled.

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J.Yuma

6:56 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

I'm optimistic now that Chief Warren has won, - if there is anyone who understands the struggles of working people, it's a Harvard law professor. Happy days.

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Donna McClure

7:20 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

I watched in horror her first press conference, When she asked Deval Patrick to answer a question regarding defense spending. He looked, quizzically and said, 'That one is all you" We have elected an idiot, who fudged her way into Harvard on the back of the real Cherokee people. But there was a "D" after her name sooooo. its all good.

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Mike Burns

8:45 am on Monday, November 19, 2012

Donna you are spot on, when asked about the looming spectre of defense cuts and the impact on the Massachusetts economy, she was at a loss... since there were no big oil companies to attack, she has no plan for Massachusetts, except to get on the Senate Banking committee and continue her agenda . She encourages others to break the rules, and will do very little to assist her home state..

J.Yuma

7:43 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012

In Mass., as long as you have a D after your name, you can drown a women and be considered "pro women". Even murder won't stop you from returning to office if you're a Democrat,- how pathetic.

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Martin Jarmulowicz

8:42 am on Monday, November 19, 2012

This action is the only way to get rid of the Union, close up shop and sell the assets to a "NEW" company with the same investors.

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Donna McClure

8:42 am on Monday, November 19, 2012

as always, crickets from the left.

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J.Yuma

9:00 am on Monday, November 19, 2012

Deval Deville gives discount tuition to illegals and plans a gas tax hike,...I've lived here my whole life and I see a bad moon on the rise,...time to go.

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J.Yuma

9:10 am on Monday, November 19, 2012

The Mass. Highway Safety commissioner offered me a ride,...but I think I'll walk!

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ach

8:31 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

I'll pack up a little kerchief on a stick for you. I have some ding songs in the freezer you can have for nourishment.

Bobby McCarthy

10:43 am on Monday, November 19, 2012

Funny how everyone is blaming the labor unions for not accepting a pay cut considering that Hostess gave the CEO's a 300% increase in pay for burying the company in debt. It must be nice to go from making $750,000 to $2,250,000 driving a company into bankruptcy and instead of being portrayed as the greedy ineffectual at best mismanager that you are be given the stage to blame the labor union.

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Bryan McGonigle2

11:47 am on Monday, November 19, 2012

Bobby,

Both are at fault (or neither in the case of the buggy whip manufacturers). Both are greedy. Both will be without jobs soon. I think most of us are placing more blame on the unions but I don't think most are saying that management is blameless. Its kind of like who you blame for the poor showing of the Red Sox - many are to blame but some more than others.

Someone will buy the assets. New managers and new "bakers" (although fewer in number) will get a chance to run things better.

BTW - when there's no union involved - say Digital Equipment Corp or OfficeMax - the management gets all the blame.

Bobby McCarthy

12:12 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Mike labeling 18,000 workers who make less than 20 dollars an hour as greedy because they were unwilling to accept another pay cut of 8% and a 32% reduction of benefits is inappropriate and non applicable. All anyone has to do is look at a nearby competitor of hostess who is turning a profit while paying their workers substantially more to draw the conclusion of a Bain style bankruptcy here.

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Bryan McGonigle2

1:01 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Bobby - I'm not aware of Hostess workers jumping to competitors who are paying more. Why would worker's go out on strike if all they had to do was to work for a nearby competitor? That would make the Hostess worker's stupid not greedy.

The fact that the unions and the company could not compromise indicates problems on both sides. My understanding is that several different unions are involved so it might be a case of the unions not getting along as well.

But both sides are greedy.

Bobby McCarthy

1:57 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

No Mike making concessions as the union had done is not greed. Making under 20 dollars an hour is not greed. Any attempt to say it is is baseless. On the other hand making 750 k and driving the company into debt and into bankruptcy while putting the responsibility entirely on labor and in turn tripling your already substantial pay and others is greed. This wasn't the first pay cut the workers were asked to take. It was the last. Hostess became an unreasonable poor employer and no concession labor could ever make would right the ship. Hostess went bankrupt by design from the top. It didn't erode at the bottom. Workers weren't over paid. As Bain would say " Hostess was harvested".

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Bryan McGonigle2

2:03 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

If it is all management's fault, its no big deal because the employees can get better paying jobs at nearby competitors - you said so yourself.

Bobby McCarthy

2:31 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

Yeah I agree Mike and I believe the Hostess employees agreed also by drawing the line knowing the consequences but this is being used to wrongfully attack labor unions. The problem isn't unions here. The problem is mismanagement and greed at the top. If a man is free to capitalize on his idea than a man is free to capitalize on his labor. You need to balance both. I think we would agree on that. I think we disagree where most of the weight is on the scale here. I am using math and history.Increasing pay 300% to 2.5 million to one guy who's job it is to make ends meet and an 8% cut in pay to a guy who makes 17 bucks an hour making the product people buy after already cutting his pay a number of times is not balanced to me.

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Bryan McGonigle2

3:00 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012

You're saying that no only are the employees/unions not greedy, they're also martyr's? That's a tough one to accept.

Since nearby competitors were already offering better pay than Hostess, isn't man already free to capitalize on their labor? Why would Hostess workers continue to work for an unprofitable company with greedy management when nearby competitors are profitable and offer better pay?

Here's the wikipedia entry for the company for those interested in facts rather than opinions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostess_Brands

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Bobby McCarthy

12:40 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Good read but the headline warns of unsourced predictions, speculative material and accounts and speculative content. So much for your facts rather than opinions selling point.

donald trump

6:45 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Its ok....lets a new generation start a company from scratch
..forest fires spawn new growth.....

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Bobby McCarthy

11:41 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

I like that but in the wake of this bs lets not poison the ground by wrongfully blaming labor unions here.

Donna McClure

9:57 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Do you think the competitor has 18,000 open positions......? Just say'in

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Bryan McGonigle2

10:19 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

For the record - I don't think these so-called nearby competitors (there's more than on since Hostess has plants in many areas over the country) have 18,000 open positions. I also don't think they're paying better or have non-greedy management. That doesn't make any sense.

But if it were true, you'd get a trickle of employees making the move, the company would grow, a trickle more - and then Hostess would be left with the worst employees because nearby competitors didn't think they were worth the higher pay - and then Hostess would go bankrupt.

hammergjh

10:26 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Maybe if Hostess didn't sell such crap they wouldn't be in this position. Is there anything worth eating in their entire product line?

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Donna McClure

11:36 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

The market dictates need/desire. A corporation presents a product at a price whereby they make money. Every corporation puts a price on a job. They decide the value of that position and that is all they will pay for the performance of that job. Period. The union crossed the boundary of profitability. Any company picking up the pieces will not pick up an overpriced work force.

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Jack Carver

12:05 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

HOSTESS BRANDS TO ENTER MEDIATION WITH BAKERS UNION

Irving, TX – November 19, 2012 – Hostess Brands Inc. announced today that it will follow a request from the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York to enter a confidential mediation on Tuesday with the Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco and Grain Millers Union (BCTGM).

Today’s hearing to consider Hostess Brands’ motion to wind down the Company and sell all of its assets has been adjourned until 11 a.m., EST, on Wednesday.

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Jack Carver

12:10 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Hostess Brands
Hostess
Wonder bread
Nature's Pride
Merita
Dolly Madison snack cakes
Drake’s
Home Pride
Beefsteak bread

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Bobby McCarthy

12:12 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Mike google is your friend. The so called competitor is Bimbo Bakeries and they pay their drivers 400 bucks more a week than Hostess and are running a successful business and Donna I brought up that point to emphasize that the problem wasn't greedy labor unions or over paid workers not to imply that all 18500 workers were going to be hired by Bimbo. Mike you talk about not making sense yet try and label someone who has already made sizable concessions to save the company but refuses to concede another 8% pay cut and 32% loss of benefits while making under 20 dollars an hour as greedy while clearly defending management that has had court rulings against it by reversing bogus bonus's given to that management. Is it starting to make sense now ?

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Bryan McGonigle2

1:19 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Bobby - And when was it that I defended management? Hostess is what in sports we call a losing team. The manager can be lousy and the players can be lousy or both. I stand by my statement - if Bimbo is such a great place to work, why don't the employees take flight? Most of the employees aren't bakers - their skills should transfer to other companies. I think the answer is that other companies don't pay as well (hence my calling the employees greedy - like we all are).

And don't bring Donna into this - she's been making extremely sensible posts.

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Bobby McCarthy

3:52 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

When did you defend management ? When you called the union greedy. And about Donna, I didn't bring Donna into this. Donna brought Donna into this and she is big girl and doesn't need you to speak for her. Waaasssup Donna.

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Bryan McGonigle2

4:00 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

You're talking nonsense. I said both sides were greedy . How is that defending management?

Bobby McCarthy

4:33 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Mike and Donna just so you know I love it when I wake up in the morning and Obama is President. Elizabeth Warren being a senator is just the icing on the cake. You can feel bad if it makes you feel better. Best wishes and do have a good Thanksgiving .

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windpower

5:20 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Well now that Twinkies are gone ,, bring on the cockroaches !!!
We will out last them all !

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J.Yuma

5:32 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Bobby...God says I'll be okay, but he's pretty sure you're screwed.

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Donna McClure

6:19 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Happy Thanksgiving to all, May God help the 18,000 newly unemployed find some sort of work and get them through the holidays. Bobby: I hope you are blessed with a little tolerance and joy. Why so angry? America has survived bad Presidents before and here in Ma we have survived a murderer as Senator and felons as Speakers of the House. A liar and a cheat in the people's seat is what the voters asked for. They got it. It will be ok. I pray for peace in the Middle East and will thank God for all the great conversation on boards like this. Hearing all sides makes us better people; imagine how boring it would be if we all thought alike. Merry Christmas

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Ron Powell

9:57 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

As with any dispute, there is plenty of blame to be shared, and no one party is fully responsible or entirely off the hook. The proximate cause of Hostess' filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, contrary to anything that Bobby McCarthy has been writing here, is BCTGM's refusal to negotiate reductions. Eight of Hostess’ top 10 creditors are pension funds. It owes almost $1 billion to the bakers union & Industry International Pension Fund alone. And even the Teamsters Union told its members, "Teamster Hostess members and all Hostess employees should know this is not an empty threat or a negotiating tactic, but the certain outcome if members of the BCTGM continue to strike. This is based on conversations with our financial experts, who, because the Teamsters were involved in the legal process, had access to financial information about the company." Specifically, Hostess closed three plants on November 12, and gave the BCTGM until November 15 for employees to return to work in order to prevent liquidation of its 33 bakeries. When the company determined that an insufficient number of employees returned to work by that time, it then moved forward with liquidation. Readers should also know that Hostess did NOT give its CEO a salary increase -- those increases were proposed by the company but never happened, and in fact, the new CEO brought in earlier this year dropped the salaries for four top executives to $1 for the remainder of the year.

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Ron Powell

10:02 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Management is also partly to blame. From a Fortune article back in July:

"Management promised to turn around the company's fortunes through innovation and workplace efficiency. It tried a limited-edition return of original banana-cream Twinkies and published The Twinkies Cookbook, which included such half-baked epicurean delights as Twinkie Sushi and Pigs in a Twinkie. But ancient delivery trucks and plant equipment didn't get replaced. The company's pricing often didn't keep pace with that of competitors. And Hostess still had ludicrous work rules: The Teamsters had separate drivers for deliveries of such goodies as Yankee Doodles and Nature's Pride Nutty Oat. (Of course this jobs-preserving work rule was agreed to by Hostess in the last labor negotiation.)"

Link: http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/26/hostess-twinkies-bankrupt/

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Ron Powell

10:17 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

And here is the irony in all of this: the current management team that was assembled by Ripplewood, a private equity firm (aka, "the Wall Street vulture capitalists") founded by major Democratic donor Timothy C. Collins. The private equity firm that wants to come in and save Hostess and the jobs of 18,500 workers (including 6,000 union employees) is Sun Capital Partners, whose founder is Marc J. Leder, who was identified by Mother Jones as the the person who hosted the private fundraiser at which Mitt Romney made his infamous 47% statement. Nope, I am not making this stuff up. I guess if wealthy "progressive Democrat" venture capitalists or the government can't save union jobs, there's always Republican plutocrats available who can.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/11/romney-47-party-host-may-rescue-thousands-of-union-jobs-at-hostess/

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Mike

11:18 am on Friday, November 23, 2012

The Democratic party invites EVERYONE in, regardless of their views on policy or social issues. You can be pro-choice, pro-union, anti-union, pro-life, and still be a Democrat. We'll see if this private equity firms saves union jobs because I'm willing to bet the answer will be no.

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Ron Powell

1:57 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

Yeah, shiny happy people holding hands, laughing. I get it. For free market types, this is an Atlas Shrugged teachable moment -- a lesson that will probably go unheeded by most. Unions want to blame it on management, fair enough, for making poor business choices along the way. Fair enough, but you are not going to attract the best and brightest managers by compensating them well below industry average and paying them $1 a year. Atlas shrugged -- Hostess got the management it deserved.

The interesting dynamic here is that the management team was brought in by the private equity company, which was given a special advantage through a connection to former Democratic House Leader Dick Gephardt and his son. This is a Democratic cockup from top to bottom, from the favored insider advantage, to the private equity firm, to the shareholders, to the revolving door management team, to the unions. Nary a greedy, evil Republican in sight that can be blamed.

Bryan McGonigle2

12:30 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Here's an informative and opinionated hit piece about Hostess - includes some aspects of blame at least I haven't heard before.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324352004578130912150512612.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

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Donna McClure

4:08 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

?A U.S. bankruptcy judge has approved Hostess Brand’s plan to wind down the company after last-minute mediation last night between the snack maker and one of its biggest unions fell through. Hostess’ lawyer said earlier in the day that the company saw a ‘flood’ of interest from parties interested in buying its iconic brands. "

Thinking non union house after bankruptcy? The brand has value, although I cannot recall eating Hostess anything since elementary school. Two chocolate cupcakes with a white serpentine line, maybe Hostess.

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Mike

11:13 am on Friday, November 23, 2012

The question of whether unions are necessary is misguided. There is no other proven method to ensure that working-class people receive decent wages, safe working conditions, or a voice on the job. Unions continue to provide workers high-quality representation, helping them receive a fair share of the income their work generates while protecting them from capricious bosses, hazards on the job, and harassment from superiors. There are no other known systems that provide workers these benefits. Organized labor is central to any solution to our current economic problems.

It is worth noting that the heyday of organized labor coincided with the longest period of growth in the history of the American economy. Only strong unions can provide a fair piece of the economic pie to the working and middle-classes, creating a robust economy that benefits all Americans.

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Steve Marino

2:01 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

And is also the reason that millions of jobs went overseas!

Donna McClure

1:38 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

Do you think a minimally skilled worker, say at Wal-Mart or Hostess is worth more than they are paid today? Stocking shelves, checking out customers or baking bread? Do you feel people should be paid more for existing. We aren't talking a skilled mason, carpenter, electrician, HVAC employee. They deserve more money, they are trained, skilled valuable. If all of Wal_Mart or Hostess walked they would be replaced in days. Unions had a place in time and they delivered, vacation, better working conditions, sick time, and a fair wage. I am hard pressed to think that a higher wage is in order for hotel maids or Wal-Mart. It's not being mean, it's being reasonable. You would not pay as much for a Chevy as you might a Cadillac, right?

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David Arsenault

2:40 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

Reasonable?
Laborers plow the streets, produce the food, maintain the sewers, bury the dead, build the homes, drill/mine the fuel the list never ends! Without laborers the Silverspooned and shelterd would die! With that out of the way you should think of what this "Unskilled" work does to the body.
What is destroying our country are the people who come here, have never paid into the system and jump into the SS that hard working laborers have paid into their whole lives. One day while shoveling the hard working ,50yrold laborer has a sharp pain after 32yrs of back breaking work. He then applies to get back what he paid into only to find out a country full of 20yr old scammers have spent the United States Social Security funds. It's all around you but it isn't the people doing the work you choose not to do:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CGgQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Fsjanus11%2F2010%2F04%2F29%2Frigged-house-bill-to-make-puerto-rico-51st-welfare-state%2F&ei=dMavUPKiOanJ0QGzoIHQAQ&usg=AFQjCNG5J2hrsJIZcu3PQ8bV8Zp1AZQdJQ

Bobby McCarthy

2:34 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

Donna in 1980 the ceo to worker pay ratio was 30 to 1 while today it is 450 to 1. Instead of worrying about the skill level of workers you might want to instead follow the money trail. Do you think a ceo who exports labor to desperate workers abroad while socializing the cost and privatizing the profits provides better value to you? Just sayin :)

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Ron Powell

2:47 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

Average compensation for a CEO in the food and snack industry, per the AFL-CIO website, is $6,516,309. Hostess did seek to increase the compensation for its CEO from $1.7 million to about $2.55 million earlier this year, which was later recanted. Guess what kind of managers you get for paying near the bottom 25-percentile? Hint: pretty bad ones.

Donna McClure

3:06 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

I think a CEO is responsible to the stakeholders. He is paid to turn a profit. To be part of this global economy the US decided to elevate the standard of living of third world economies at the expense of US mfg jobs. The people who shop WalMart support cheap goods from China Thailand and Vietnam I understand the whole living wage argument , however. It is not the charge of a CEO to solve.

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David Arsenault

7:30 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012

Right SIlverspoon,
It's the responsibility of the rep you voted for who hires the gov. workers in charge of approving hard earned SSDI funds to those whome have had babbies or acted out a mental disability disorder to scam US blue collar workers.

Donna McClure

8:09 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Silverspoon? My Dad is an immigrant, came to this country as a skilled carpenter, however, worked as a laborer until he started his own small construction company. There were many times I sat at a dinner table and watched my folks eat cereal while me and my sisters had meat, potatoes and vegetables. If you are referring to me as someone who had a "silver spoon." I grew up in NY in a cold water flat. The only silver spoon I had was being born into a family that had the good sense to know that if they worked hard the U.S. was the best place in the world for their children. That was my inheritance and I am grateful,

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David Arsenault

10:02 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Sorry for the misinterpretation of your previous post, sounded like you were knocking laborers.

Donna McClure

10:27 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

I am not knocking anyone I just don't believe all positions are equal. Most immigrants, German, Irish, Italian took any job they could get. They quickly learned where they did not want to be and did something about it. Today's illegal immigrant walks into, healthcare, food, shelter, education, pretty much everything that the immigrants of the last generation paid for with hard work. The bottom of the food chain is where most of us start out. I worked, while in high school, as a waitress. It is up to individual drive, ambition and desire to raise yourself from that level. I do not believe I earned any more or less than I was worth as a waitress. Made some good tips but it was not my dream job for sure. Worked for a crazy Greek chef, prone to throwing things. For sure, I learned quickly that this would not be a good career choice for me. My nature is to throw back! Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving.

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Sean Ward

11:11 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012

My biggest issue with unions is that it removes the need for individual achievement. They are about everyone doing an average job. Don't go showing the rest of the shop up by working too hard or by being too good at it because that makes the slackers look bad.

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Donna McClure

12:56 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Agree, Sean. Everyone is part of the collective. My husband had a union job in yellow pages quite a few years ago. His first week selling he was told to slow down he was making others look bad. He left after three months of badgering by his shop steward.

J.Yuma

7:50 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

For anyone who still believes in the individual, Liberty and free enterprise,...these are dark times.

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Donna McClure

8:58 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012

Darkest before the dawn. It will be ok.

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Paul Grim

1:53 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012

Karla VallanceI is either a poor journalist or is deliberately trying to mislead because she left out a whole bunch of pertinent information.

What happens when vulture capitalism ruins a great American company?

The vultures blame the workers.

The vultures blame the union.

And vapid media outlets report the lie as “news.”

That’s what’s happening with the meltdown of Hostess Brands Inc.

Americans are being told that they won’t get their Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Ho Hos because the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union ran the company into the ground.

But the union and the 5,600 Hostess workers represented by the union did not create the crisis that led the company’s incompetent managers to announce plans to shutter it.

The BCTGM workers did not ask for more pay.

The BCTGM workers did not ask for more benefits.

The BCTGM workers did not ask for better pensions.

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Paul Grim

1:54 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012

The union and its members had a long history of working with the company to try to keep it viable. They had made wage and benefit concessions to keep the company viable. They adjusted to new technologies, new demands.

They took deep layoffs—20 percent of the workforce—and kept showing up for work even as plants were closed.

They kept working even as the company stopped making payment to their pension fund more than a year ago.

The workers did not squeeze the filling out of Hostess.

Hostess was smashed by vulture capitalists—“a management team that,” in the words of economist Dean Baker, “shows little competence and is rapidly stuffing its pockets at the company’s expense.”

Even as the company struggled, the ten top Hostess executives pocketed increasingly lavish compensation packages. The Hostess CEO who demanded some of the deepest cuts from workers engineered a 300 percent increase in his compensation package.

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Ron Powell

1:11 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012

Executive compensation packages were not the reason for the demise of Hostess. The ten highest executives at Hostess were paid a combined $3.6 million in 2011. Even if you took the salaries of the ten highest paid Hostess executives and gave all of it instead to the 5,500 bakers unions workers -- just the bakers union, not the Teamsters or nonunion employees, that would only result in an additional $654 in salary per year, or about 36 cents more per hour. That is far, far less than the concessions that management said were needed to maintain cash flow -- $110 million. And, as you may have missed it, CEO Gregory F. Rayburn and Hostess' top nine executives did take paycuts and were compensated only $1 each in 2012.

The present cashflow problem with Hostess had nothing to do with executive compensation. On the other hand, the bakers' union itself stated that company delivery costs exceeded industry averages by $80 to $110 million. And the company owed more than $2 billion to the union pension funds, a major reason why creditors were unwilling to cut a break. But the biggest problem was the loss of revenue from sales -- sales were down 28 percent from 2004. The company was simply getting beat by competitors.

You mention the venture capitalists -- they injected a total of $170 million into the company and will likely lose all of it. Hostess would not have emerged from its first bankruptcy without the first injection of $130 million in 2009. They are least to blame.

J.Yuma

10:51 am on Monday, November 26, 2012

"The Hostess Bakery Plant shut down due to a workers' strike. It was split
up. The State Department hired all the Twinkies, the Secret Service hired all
the HoHos, the Generals are sleeping with the Cup-cakes and the voters sent
all the Ding Dongs to Congress."

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Donna McClure

11:35 am on Monday, November 26, 2012

Good one John! Ain't it the truth!

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J.Yuma

12:51 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012

Donna, The Ding Dongs fit right in at Congress,- a happy ending!

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Bobby McCarthy

11:22 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012

The decision to pay executives more during a bankruptcy shows a lack of good managerial judgement. It also follows a trend of rising ceo pay during economic difficulty. Take Caterpillar and Citigroup for example. Caterpillar froze workers pay while raising executive pay by 17 million and at Citigroup ceo Vikrim Pandit received 6.7 million to destroy the company and walked off with 260 million after the business lost 88% of its value.

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Bryan McGonigle2

10:28 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Executive pay - excessive or not - played no role in the bankruptcy.

Poor managerial judgement - including overpaying for delivering products to stores - is more serious and I'm confident this played a significant role in the earlier bankruptcy and the current one.

Regardless of management competency, the companies costs are way too high for the revenues they're bring in. These costs have to come down whether the existing bozos remain in charge or if they bring in new bozos.

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Ron Powell

11:04 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Also, Rayburn and at least four executive vice presidents were paid only $1 in 2012. Five other executives agreed to pay freezes, and recanted the 2012 increases. As I pointed out elsewhere, the combined compensation for Hostess' ten highest paid executives was $3.6 million in 2011, and the company was asking for $110 million in concessions. Executive pay was not a factor in the failure of the company.

Bryan McGonigle2

11:53 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Harold Jenkins of the WSJ spins another tale about the baker's unions best interest is at odds with that of the Teamsters union.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324469304578145102007752448.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

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Bobby McCarthy

12:15 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Hostess even tried to sidestep bankruptcy rules by leaving the failing ceo in place.

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Bobby McCarthy

1:07 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012

The one creditors outlined in the warning it issued resulting in a new ceo and the 300% raise being lowered to 1.5 million while others who received inflammatory raises were lowered to pre bankruptcy levels while 4 executives salaries were lowered to 1 dollar until Hostess emerged from bankruptcy.

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Ron Powell

2:10 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Have you got a link? I've been following this story closely, and I have not heard of this one.

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